– Rather than chosing one type of cargo, allow the player to enable or disable certain cargo types for certain vehicles/wagons. For instance if I have a goods train that can carry plastic, goods and grain, I only want to carry plastic and goods so I will disable grain. This will allow the maximum flexibility when building your routes.

– A wagon/truck can only carry maximum one type of cargo at one time. If a wagon can carry ore and iron, once the game loads ore in it then it no longer load coal until empty.

Optional:

Some extra suggestions to improve the overall handling of cargo, unrelated to the new refit system.

– Allow modding of the 20 minute rule for each cargo type. Grain is perishable. Iron ore is not. Livestock HAS to be delivered quickly. Personally I’d like to set my own “recommended delivery time” for each good type.

– Allow different pricing for each cargo type.

– Allow different industry building in the cities to have different demands. It would be awesome  to see some power plants appear in 1900 demanding coal or oil. Or to see auto retailers popping up in 1950 demanding cars. Either way, the current demand for generic “goods” is completely immersion breaking. Having one samwill feed 10 cities really breaks it for me.

– Please look at the problem when supplying one city (or an industry) from two different sources. I want to supply a city for instance with both oil and wood products. Right now it’s not possible, as the two industries will compete with each other and I will go banckrupt in the process. Also, the city has a much harder time meeting it’s full demand. If you chose to keep the generic goods system, you will at least have to adress this issue.

– Eye candy: if a industry is getting more production, can you pop up some extra facilities around ? Make th eindustry visually grow on the map ? For instance if an oil rig reaches 100 production, create some extra oil extractors in that area. Demolishable, of course for a price, and not as big as the original industry itself. It woudl help immersiona lot. Ps: you already have the graphics for this.

PS: I would be willling to pay for an expansion that does the industry right. I’m sure i’m not the only one.

PS2: Thank you for taking your time to read trough this and thank you for your work on this. I love this game. It’s the best train game I have played since TTD. 1400 hours so far 😀

Tom

About PS2: Well, that is a LOT! 🙂

+1

– Allow modding of the 20 minute rule for each cargo type. Grain is perishable. Iron ore is not. Livestock HAS to be delivered quickly. Personally I’d like to set my own “recommended delivery time” for each good type.

– Allow different pricing for each cargo type.

I would say that 20 minute rule should be modified for cargo completely. This rule makes the simulation perfect for passanger traffic, and I would really want to thank developers for that, however it is absolutely unrealistic for goods. Delivery time is rarely a constraint for coal, iron, lumber, and oil as well as for the most of the industry supply one can introduce. What is usually important is the price difference of goods at locations. So, as opposed to the time-based simulation for passengers one should use price-based simulation for goods. Coal should be cheaper at the mine, however more expensive near the steel works. Production rate, demand and so on should affect the price. This system was used in RT3 many years ago and proved itself effective. It would be fun to still leave some time cutoff for each type of goods, say if modders would like to introduce meat, grain, or whatever, however the basis of cargo simulation should be changed in future.

At this point, the best strategy is to build a line from the other end of the map to deliver coal to steel works, although there is a source in the nearest city. This looks too artificial. With price-based simulation one may think of a region on the map with large source of coal, so the natural strategy would be to supply industry from this region, what makes cargo trains absolutely necessary. Besides, with this simulation players would no longer build randomly located tracks which are used for a single route, instead one can think of major artheria connecting parts of map with source and demand. Of course this would be too serious change for v1, however it would be nice to think about it in the future versions of TF.

PS: I would be willling to pay for an expansion that does the industry right. I’m sure i’m not the only one.

I’m definitely with you on that.

– Eye candy: if a industry is getting more production, can you pop up some extra facilities around ? Make th eindustry visually grow on the map ? For instance if an oil rig reaches 100 production, create some extra oil extractors in that area. Demolishable, of course for a price, and not as big as the original industry itself. It woudl help immersiona lot. Ps: you already have the graphics for this.

Yes, this should look amazing. Besdides that, major factories should also provide workplaces as well as small indutries do. Having large factory very far away from big cities doesn’t look natural.

They also should have allowed us to make combination stations, or provided them for smaller towns so that a train could take passengers and a small amount of finished products out easily to smaller towns.

Provided the game would have been working good form the start and had a lot of features they we’re now begging the developers to implement, it would have been worth 30 usd ( or even 40 usd if done right ).

It wasn’t done right, therefore the 20 $ i find acceptable for this game, in it’s current state. Which doesn’t scratch my ich. I want more, and I’m willing to pay for more.